In this episode, Nate and Lior travel to Atlanta to sit down with John Koester, CISO of Graphic Packaging International, to explore what AI means for the human side of cybersecurity. From reimagining compliance and detection workflows to prioritizing creativity and employee development, John offers a grounded vision for how AI can return time to the people doing the work—and why that matters more than ever.
He discusses the pressing need for relationship-building inside large organizations, the risks of fast-moving attackers using AI, and how cyber leaders must prepare their teams to become true business partners. This conversation touches on architectural evolution, risk quantification, and the enduring importance of human engagement.
Impactful Moments:
- 00:00 – Introduction
- 02:17 – AI gives time back for human focus
- 04:09 – AI can boost response effectiveness
- 06:00 – Attackers use AI to scale threats
- 08:03 – “Fire against fire” in cyber defense
- 09:00 – Building trust through employee outreach
- 10:29 – Innovation comes from unexpected voices
- 13:02 – AI and the future of compliance
- 14:00 – Toward quantifying real dollar risk
- 16:13 – Rethinking architecture in the AI era
- 18:38 – “The current model is kind of broken”
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